Vassula speaking about Akita & 3rd Secret of Fatima

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by andree, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. andree

    andree Well-Known Member

    David asked me once on the old forum about Vassula's interview, which is in the French film "M et le 3e Secret" (M and the 3rd Secret)

    That clip is now on youtube here for anyone who wants to see it. The interview is bracketed by the narrator speaking in French, but Vassula's interview is in English from about 0:43 to 3:00. Also, the testimony of Sr Agnes of Akita starts at 3:51, with French voice-over but with English subtitles.

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  2. David

    David Well-Known Member

    This is a great bit of video! I'm thinking how best to make use of it...
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  3. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    Ah Wonderful... ...merci Andree!

    Here is Fulton the 50s speaking of Fatima some stories around it.
    As relevant today as it then perhaps even more so... Is not awe inspiring that WW2 could have been AVOIDED!

    The errors of communism were spread as we know "...but in the end...."

    and here we are nearing the 100th anniversary...of Fatima..The secret has still something to tell us.. Very difficult times we are going through. I just try to focus on the blue of hope, in those words

    " the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph!"
    From Garabandal...
    ...On the drive home with friends during the early hours of the next morning, Father Andreu said,

    “What a gift the Virgin has given me. How lucky we are to have a mother like that in heaven. This is the happiest day of my life.”

    He then made a slight coughing sound and lowered his head.
    Father Andreu had died, most peacefully, in a state of holy joy.
    Later, Our Lady told the children that on the Eighth of August, Father Andreu had been permitted to share in their vision and had been witness in ecstasy to the Great Miracle set to occur at Garabandal in the future.

    (video cannot be watched here, but on the youtube)

    Our Lady of Fatima - Ven Bishop Fulton J Sheen
    Petrus Josephus

    God Bless the great Mother of God!Mary Most Holy!
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  4. David

    David Well-Known Member

    I've prepared a clip from the video that andree posted that just has the part where Vassula speaks about the Akita and Fatima matter.

    I've put the video on the Akita page on my site at:

    But here also is the clip:

  5. David

    David Well-Known Member

    I've been reading the recently released biography of Sister Lucia and it has so much significant material in it. In particular it has important text written by Sister Lucia immediately before she wrote down the content of the third secret. I copy below some thoughts I have been having:

    Both the Vatican and Sister Lucia have said definitively that the third secret has been fully revealed, yet the evidence for some additional text seems overwhelming. This is my explanation.

    The book by the nuns of Sister Lucia's convent quotes Sister Lucia's 'diary' of her struggles writing down the third secret. Eventually Sister Lucia succeeded in writing down the secret but immediately before doing so she wrote down the following in her diary:

    I felt my spirit flooded by a mystery of light that is God and in Him saw and heard:

    "The tip of the spear as a flame unlatches and touches the axis of the earth. It shudders. Mountains, cities, towns, and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, the rivers, and the clouds emerge from their limits, overflowing and bringing with them in a whirlwind houses and people in numbers that are not possible to count. It is the purification of the world as it plunges into sin. Hatred and ambition cause the destructive war!"

    Now read the following part of the Akita messages:

    "As I told you, if people do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the Flood, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests."

    Now read what Vassula related in the video above:

    I was invited with other people, on the 26th November, 1992 for an international Marian convention (in Akita). There were there, Fr Rene Laurentin, Fr Michael O'Carroll and other priests as well. There was Cardinal Vidal as well. And he (Bishop Ito) said something that really surprised us! That was that when he went to Rome to bring the messages of Akita for investigation, he encountered Cardinal Ratzinger and he talked to him about Sister Agnes and the messages and Cardinal Ratzinger said to leave them with him and he would read them to see what he could do.

    Bishop Ito thought he would send an investigation like normal. He always sends an investiagation to the sites of the apparitions. The next day he said that he surprised him because Cardinal Ratzinger said to him "we shall not send any investigation there". No consultants. And he said why? And he (Cardinal Ratzinger) said, "because the message of Akita is the third secret of Fatima" so I don't have to investigate. That's what he said.

    You know when we heard that of course we said, 'wow', that is the Secret of Fatima! And you know we didn't hear it from another source like, "Bishop Ito said so and so" because I wouldn't have believed it but I heard it from the mouth of Bishop Ito and so did the others that there will be no investigation because it's not necessary, it is almost word for word the third secret of Fatima.​

    In my view all the above provides good support for believing that the extra text could be the 'missing text' of the Third Secret. It is not part of the Secret but maybe is the extra text that led Pope John Paul II to say what he did in Fulda, Germany, in 1980:

    The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?"

    Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

    "On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."
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  6. David

    David Well-Known Member

    I have recently come back to view this thread because I wanted to add the interview with Vassula above on to YouTube (the above link is a Vimeo link).

    I was reviewing again some of the information out there about the Third Secret of Fatima (as well as the misinformation!!). One of the best sources of ACCURATE information about this topic is in the video prepared by Carlos Evaristo some years ago. Evaristo had special access to Sister Lucia and thanks to him we can now know her thoughts on the whole matter in more detail. It can be discerned from this video plus other written documentation from Sister Lucia herself that the conspiracy theories which flood the internet about this topic are largely false.

    I copy the Evaristo video here again for convenience. I first copied it in another very informative thread on this forum - Consecration of Russia to Our Lady

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  7. Kelli

    Kelli New Member

    Thanks for the clarification. I was late to the messages and searched greatly many subjects. This being a great interest. I now see the correlation of truth that is also revealed in TLIG messages.
  8. Myriam

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  9. David

    David Well-Known Member

    I think it is probably reliable. However, I don't like the way this is being 'blown up' into a major thing and worse, is being linked in some anti-Francis websites to the recent Amazon synod.

    It is worth mentioning that some of these anti-Francis traditionalist websites have been showing a great interest in the Akita events, almost certainly because of Sister Sasagawa's message about receiving Holy Communion on the tongue rather than in the hand. Prior to the papacy of Pope Francis, these groups apparently showed no interest in the Akita revelations!

    I will take this opportunity to post the second of two videos I put on YouTube about the Akita events. It is less well known than the first:

  10. Myriam

    Myriam Member

    Thank you David
    I aprove to be very careful because of the oponents against Our Pope Francis
    They have done the same with Fatima and Garabandal.

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