Those that oppose Peter....

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by karnala, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    those that oppose Peter are opposing My Church, they are opposing My Law, they are opposing Me, their Lord and God; they are condemning Peter-of-My-lambs, thus condemning My Law; blinded by Vanity himself they do not see clear anymore that by condemning Peter they are not following the Law but instead become judges of My Law! O listen to what the Spirit says to the Church! return; come back, beloved one; (1 Archbishop Lefebvre)

    it is I, the Lord, who have selected Peter, Peter who today bears the name, John Paul II; I am telling you, beloved one, My Sacred Heart has chosen him; come back, reconcile for My sake, beloved; I, the Lord, will forgive your sins and will purify you....

    Even though Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the traditionalist prelate whose defiance of Pope John Paul II caused the first schism in the Roman Catholic Church since 1870 has died....

    The Archbishop leaves behind about 300 priests ordained by his order, the Fraternity of St. Pius X (SSPX), and a following that was estimated by Vatican officials at the time of the schism at 50,000 and 100,000. Church officials say the number has decreased since then as many Catholics have decided to stand behind the Pope rather than follow an excommunicated leader.... As a result of his defiance, Pope Paul VI suspended him from his priestly work in 1976. This meant he could no longer celebrate Mass or administer the sacraments....

    In 1978, John Paul II tried to establish a truce with the Archbishop, allowing him to resume his priestly functions. In 1988, the Pope sought to head off the schism by offering to name a traditionalist bishop whom Archbishop Lefebvre would nominate.

    Eventually, the Archbishop rejected the compromise, which would not have obliterated the changes that he so disdained. This led to his consecration of the four bishops, a move that according to Catholic doctrine can be done only with the Pope's approval.
  2. David

    David Well-Known Member

    Yes, as I mentioned in my other reply, I don't think you will be getting many contributions to your poll and even I am not going to choose one of the three options as my answer to the question is "don't know".

    But the thread is appropriate as opposition to Peter is increasing in traditionalist sections of Catholicism. Apparently, Pope Francis' exhortation document following the 2 recent controversial Synods is due to be signed today. There is an interesting article about this on the 'Inside the Vatican' website:

    The above article suggests the Pope may be moving in quite a strong way that could lead to the opposition becoming much more openly critical. We will see.
  3. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    I agree there's going to be more criticism and after reading the new interview with Emeritus Pope Benedict which was in your First Post, I realised its God's perfect timing for which the retired Pope speaks of the centrality of compassion in the Christian faith. This quote is towards the end of the interview also on Inside the Vatican:

    Fr. Servais: In the Spiritual Exercises, Ignatius of Loyola does not use the Old Testament images of revenge, as opposed to Paul (cfr. 2 Thessalonians 1: 5-9); nevertheless he invites us to contemplate how men, until the Incarnation, “descended into hell” (Spiritual Exercises n. 102; see. ds iv, 376) and to consider the example of the “countless others who ended up there for far fewer sins than I have I committed” (Spiritual Exercises, n. 52). It is in this spirit that St. Francis Xavier lived his pastoral work, convinced he had to try to save from the terrible fate of eternal damnation as many “infidels” as possible. The teaching, formalized in the Council of Trent, in the passage with regard to the judgment of the good and the evil, later radicalized by the Jansenists, was taken up in a much more restrained way in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (cfr. § 5 633, 1037). Can it be said that on this point, in recent decades, there has been a kind of “development of dogma” that the Catechism should definitely take into account?

    Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI: There is no doubt that on this point we are faced with a profound evolution of dogma.
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  4. David

    David Well-Known Member

    And the above quote from Benedict is the 'killer' quote to give to the traditionalists who think the Church is an unyielding block of stone that has nothing to learn or discover. They reject such guidance from Pope Francis but this coming from Benedict should make them pause and reflect.
  5. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

  6. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    Pope Francis meets with SSPX superior general .... (and SSPX reports a different day of the meeting)

    The Holy See press office issued a statement April 4 indicating that Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay had met April 2 at the Vatican.

    An April 4 statement issued by the SSPX, meanwhile, said that Pope Francis received Bishop Fellay at his Domus Sanctae Marthae residence in the Vatican on April 1. The statement said Bishop Fellay was accompanied by Fr. Alain-Marc Nely, second assistant general of the priestly society.

    “Pope Francis had wanted a private and informal meeting, without the formality of an official audience. It lasted 40 minutes and took place under a cordial atmosphere,” the SSPX stated. “After the meeting, it was decided that the current exchanges would continue. The canonical status of the Society was not directly addressed, Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay having determined that these exchanges ought to continue without haste.”

    The statement from the priestly society added that on April 2, Bishop Fellay met with Archbishop Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei – the Vatican office of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith responsible for doctrinal discussions with the SSPX.

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