Scripture in the TLIG messages

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by David, May 27, 2016.

  1. David

    David Well-Known Member

    I feel I should post this account of a recent exchange on a Catholic forum to which I occasionally contribute. After some discussion about Vassula and TLIG, responding to all the usual negative stuff, I ended my contribution with this quote from TLIG:

    I tell you, Vassula, one day, in My courts and on the Judgement Day, all those who accused you and sneered at you will be struck with remorse for having rejected My Inexhaustible Treasure from which their spirit could have acquired Wisdom and won My friendship, this friendship that would have led them into the beauty of My Sovereignty and Splendour and the intimacy of their God; your accusers will look at you and say, as Scriptures say: "this is the one we used to laugh at once, a butt for our sarcasm, fools that we were! her life we regarded as madness ...." and you, My child, will face every one of those who have oppressed you, and they will realise how bitter they made My Cup ....

    http://www.tlig.org/en/messages/923/



    A little later, one of the critics came back with the following rather sarcastic comment:

    "this is the one we used to laugh at once, a butt for our sarcasm, fools that we were! her life we regarded as madness ...."

    This is a scriptural quote? Where is it located in the Bible? I can't seem to find it.​


    In truth, I hadn't noticed that the message included "as Scriptures say" and there was no footnote to help. I thought I was going to have to say, sorry but I can't answer that but I started to search the bible in the hope of finding something 'similar'. Fairly quickly I was actually able to find the following:

    They will speak to one another in repentance, and in anguish of spirit they will groan, and say, "This is the man whom we once held in derision and made a byword of reproach -- we fools! We thought that his life was madness and that his end was without honor.
    Wisdom 5, 3-4

    Now I must tell you that finding this really made an impact! The Lord found it for me and reading it sent a shiver down my spine because, of course, the quote from Wisdom is referring specifically to Jesus, the Messiah and here was God using different language in the TLIG message to say exactly the same thing about Vassula! He was almost suggesting that Jesus and Vassula were interchangeable!

    The critcs did not respond!
     
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  2. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    David that was a penalty kick! I am delighted you have made some ground especially on a catholic website. The Lord will find a way -perhaps we may be guided by him to creative subtle ways of getting the message out.

    As I have often said I have been frustrated at the unthinking and subjective responses when
    I have tried to introduce TLIG to family and friends. They always reject it, some without having read a word, good people, clergy included.
    I have become resigned and have resorted to mischievous tactics.

    ...Leaving leaflets here and there... . People are instinctively resistant it seems to me when I speak, perhaps this gift is for others.
    So I generally now I dont try to argue or convince with words. The conclusion I have reached is at least drop leaflets etc.the Lord will do the rest.
    We can work on the outside. The Lord is the one who can work on the inside of a soul.

    The spirit of our age is solipsist. To be open to the truth, goes against the grain of our reason allergic times. There are souls out there desperate and wretched who would grab the TLIG messages and
    love them and I hope that this grace inundates more and more reaching those who need it and who will respond with fervour.
    Dont the best things always seem to happen spontaneously and in a surprising way. Maybe when its darkest of all the dawn is nearest.
     
  3. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    David, your response in the Catholic forum reminds me of the Bible verse of Luke 12:11-12 about Confessing Christ -

    …11When you are brought before the synagogues, rulers, and authorities, do not worry about how to defend yourselves or what to say. 12For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say.”

    Radhe, did you read about "solipsist" on a forum as well, because I haven't read anything from Pope Francis or other Catholic emailing I receive:
     
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  4. Thank you all for your writings,I think you are correct David Jesus dwells well within Vassula,He shines through her.Yes Radhe our families are always resistant to our prompting some,we can only pray they listen to someone else and ask God to send that person to them.Leaflets are a good idea,I know some of the Robina group tried it some years back and a number of new members came to our meetings after reading the leaflets ,I will pray you too have success in this.karnala ,sister Serapyhims book,Invitation to be one with Christ is for sale now,Mary Ludwig can send you a copy ,it only costs Ten dollars,and a tremendous help with our spiritual understanding of TLIG.It is a help especially to lay peopleThe Title of the book is Invitation to be One with Christ.Jill
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  5. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your prayers gayton@ozemail. You might just make those seeds grow.

    No I did not. I read this word in a secular newspaper. I was curious what it meant. I think it describes so well that attitude many people seem to have. I am no philospher this word describes to me accurately what I am hearing a lot.


    . Solipsism ([​IMG]i/ˈsɒlᵻpsɪzəm/; from Latin solus, meaning "alone", and ipse, meaning "self")[1] is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside of the mind. As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist.


    I have heard agnostics adopt this position. Yet an agnostic I spoke to was dismisive about the devils influence on people saying this was nonsense. (How did he know? If nothing can be known outside of self -which is their idea)


    Regarding spreading the word there are creative and powerful ways I love this video someone posted on the Passion using Music by Vangelis to a
    clip from Jesus of Nazareth (1977 Franco Zeffirelli)




    In Ireland there was a campaign to put the Holy Face in Public places...


    https://theholyface.com/news/billboard-campaign/

    I have long marveled at directness and simplicity of the Holy Face being integral to TLIG publications Perhaps Hearts are easier to move than minds
     
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  6. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    Jill, I also received an email about her book - but until I find employment my finances are very limited. The Certificate III course I was going to start has been cancelled due to lack of numbers .... which also indicates the lack of work here.

    Since I've been volunteering at the (not for profit) radio station I've been teaching myself how to do desktop publishing etc, by creating a flyer for the hire of their community room. Even though I can put this in my resume as work experience, most employers still want certificate qualifications to say you can do the work. I give thanks to God for this opportunity to learn how a radio station operates, otherwise I'd soon be discouraged about ever finding steady, fulltime employment .... which is what can happen with the youth who lose hope and no longer actively seek employment.

    This reminds me of the recent Melbourne street brawl an 'escalation in violence' from Apex gang .... police believed Apex members may be behind a spate of recent car thefts and burglaries in Melbourne's south too. Australia's having an election on July 2 and I pray pray pray that more jobs can be generated. Turnbull's been saying about a new PaTH (prepare-trial-hire) scheme to pay incentives to employers to take on the long-term unemployed .... which sounds like an expansion of the volunteer work (to prepare and trial) which should lead to being hired. There are already incentives for mature aged workers, but there are no positions available to be hired.
     
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  7. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    karnala I am sorry to hear you are still seeking steady full time work. Yes we need more prayers.

    Who knows what God will have in store - only good things.
     
  8. andree

    andree Well-Known Member

    What a story David, I see that the Lord wanted you to enlighten them about scripture and TLIG. And here I was thinking that you knew what Bible passage was related to that TLIG message!
     
  9. David

    David Well-Known Member

    :) No, andree, I have to admit to being rather ignorant when it comes to knowing Scripture well. But I did trust the Lord would find the passage - and He did!
     

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