I need help with the unity issue.

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by Lou, Sep 12, 2016.

  1. Lou

    Lou New Member

    I really need to hear opposition to my concerns of uniting with Roman Catholicism.
    I personally have no problem with the idea of uniting with Roman Catholic brethren, per say. But knowing the history of papal Rome and the traditional teachings of those Church fathers who came before us from Ireneaus to Charles Spurgeon concerning the dissolution of Imperial Rome and who would fill the void made by its downfall (2 Thesalonians 2), I'm having a very hard time trusting the office of the pope. It is as if I'm being asked to believe that 2000 years of Church history has had it all wrong and only Papal Rome had it right.
    Now, I do realise that not all Popes are bad guy's and are deserving of the office that they hold and the respect is well due them concerning their walk with Christ. But I also don't take lightely the warnings that have been given me:
    2 Corinthians 11:13-14, Matthew 24:4-5, etc....
    I certainly hope I've been clear in expressing my concerns in this area.
    Look forward to some honest discussion concerning this.
    I want to be watchful, but I don't want to cause Him anymore sorrow than He already endures. You know what I mean?
  2. David

    David Well-Known Member

    It's not about only Papal Rome 'having it right', Lou. The 2000 year history of the Church shows enough mistakes to make that kind of suggestion implausible.

    I think the simplest way to respond to your question is to point out that Catholics have always put the Pope as the leader on earth of the Church and the True Life in God messages from Vassula confirm 'Peter's' primacy but that is a very different thing to talking about 'Papal Rome'. It is a strange development that now has some Catholics criticizing Pope Francis for not holding on to the 'Catholic doctrine'. Those who do that are totally missing the point of the leadership of the pope. They think the Church is a collection of doctrines and beliefs that have been 'codified' over the centuries and the role of the pope is just as some kind of nominal head who is supposed to be the 'spokesman' for these beliefs.

    No, Christ's Church is made up of all the baptized people who believe in Him. Jesus in the TLIG messages simply calls Christians to accept the primacy and leadership of the Pope. Pope Francis himself is a living embodiment of everything God says in the messages. The Unity to which Jesus is leading us in the messages is a unity of heart: the real Unity is and will be in the heart; Unity will not be of the letter but of the spirit (TLIG, October 13, 1991)
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  3. Lou

    Lou New Member

    You just spoke that which is in my heart concerning the Body of Christ, David. I've known this and proclaimed such for years to my staunchly protestant family in which I was raised.
    I was raised by my family as a dispensational premillenialist and I believed it yet God never granted me faith concerning it. Then as my search progressed I read a simple phrase that changed everything for me. I believe it was Robert Gundry who stated that; and I'm paraphrasing here, "....those who heard personally from the apostles and their disciples stood in a much better place to judge what was apostolic doctrine than we who are many centuries removed."
    This was not my doing, it was the Lord's leading.
    So, now I'm the 'black sheep' of the family because a lot of what you find in the anti-Nicene fathers works speak against what is commonly accepted today.
    Anyway, thank you for responding to this. But I think Andree was right about public message board discussions concerning sensitive subject matter.
    If we could continue this in conversation?
  4. David

    David Well-Known Member

    I needed to look up 'dispensational premillenialist' on Google! Please feel free to ask anything you want on the Unity topic although I'm not sure I will be able to give any useful answers. Andree, I think, was talking about another forum where there tends to be more argument than discussion! If things need to go private then we can do that if necessary.
  5. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    Lou on a practical note of how unity can work -I am a Catholic I enjoyed fellowship in a Christian Union which I joined in 1983 when I was in college.
    I was suspicious of the liberal trendiness seeping into the Catholic Chaplaincy. Rightly or wrongly I evaded it. The College of course was full of indoctrination Atheistic socialistic
    and every left leaning liberal cause under the sun.
    I discussed some of the theological differences very amicably with Christian Union Friends, we were all very young and vulnerable, we prayed together sang hymns regularily.

    The unity I experienced was a life raft in the face of horrendous pressures in that college. I saw young lives ruined within that year by the ghastly philosophies spread by perverse lecturers..
    I will never forget the hymns we sang - One was "Bind us together in love "(Well I have never forgotten my brothers and sisters in Christ who ministered to this wretch with such compassion- I still pray for them though I have lost touch with them)
    we went our respective churches and socialised together. The year ended and I left that college in disillusionment. I just could not go along with their ideas of "art"
    I thank God for his providence in that year in giving me the friendship of those Christians, Baptists, Methodists, and Brethren. When I left they were so kind wished me well and prayed for me.

    The great thing I found in True life in God personally was a much better prayer life and trying to shake off mediocrity and apathy and other struggles in living an authentic Christian life.Unity of Spirit mentioned in TLIG- can be so powerful here
    I should add I still listen , read the works of Christian pastors of other churches and they continue to enhance and develop my understanding of what it is to be a Christian.

    I know of a catholic priest who runs a fantastic ministry in Ireland he says he carried a lot of pain and spiritual distress.
    A Presbyterian minister prayed over him and he felt immediately great healing.

    When we adopt the Spirit of Unity that quote mentioned by David..

    "The Unity to which Jesus is leading us in the messages is a unity of heart: the real Unity is and will be in the heart; Unity will not be of the letter but of the spirit (TLIG, October 13, 1991)"

    ....GREAT THINGS HAPPEN ! Miracles! To Christians of all churches

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