Hatred: The Devil’s Poison

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by karnala, Jun 15, 2016.

  1. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    In the dark hours of this Sunday morning some 50 people were killed and another 53 were injured in a terror attack in gay nightclub in Orlando. President Obama has called it an “act of terror and an act of hate,” and it’s being described as the most deadly shooting in American history. As Orthodox Catholic Christians, we can’t simply shut out the pain and despair: we must bring light and healing.

    [​IMG]In our Eastern Orthodox prayers of intercession at Compline, we pray… “for those who hate us and those who love us.” In the Orthodox tradition, we recite this prayer every evening. Our ancestors in the Faith know something about enemies, having lived under repressive Muslim and Communist regimes for centuries. So we intuitively know why this petition must become habitual for all people of faith.

    I believe if this were a daily prayer of every person, it would help us to do that which does not come naturally to us: love our enemies—and the enemies of all those we love. And it would shape us as a people to be Christ’s presence in a hateful and divided world—a world that needs to know of his presence more than ever.
  2. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    Yes karnala we should pray for all the victims and families..in Orlando and
    victims of hate all over the world. It achieves nothing hatred and its easy acquire it from the world around us today

    "So we intuitively know why this petition must become habitual for all people of faith." I think you right its a daily prayer
    There is a mountain of hate and anger in the world now. One of the TLIG messages used the phrase "drunk with spite"

    Christians have often failed in this, I include myself. Love of all....The Lord does not compromise on this commandment..

    St Kosmos of Atilos....thanks for this I must remember that Saints name a good one to ask for intercession..in these sad times.

    I think the spirit of hate needs to be identified and driven out...Love being the antidote.

    "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."
    1 Corinthians 13:4-8 New International Version
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  3. karnala

    karnala Well-Known Member

    I've just read another article about bishops not making an explicit reference to the LGBT community, as they expressed their condolences .... and have been criticised on facebook by Fr Martin. I don't have headphones or speakers and haven't listened to his video - but I believe its because of their love that the bishops haven't categorised or labelled them.

    The secular world has a distorted understanding of love because (love) is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs (the Bible verse you mentioned). Only yesterday at the Christian/Community radio station I was talking with another volunteer from the Port City Christian Church who thought I was showing hatred towards gays, when I was saying how its wrong and not natural (thinking she'd have the same Biblical views). I was telling her I don't hate gays - but its the gay community who hate what Christians are saying from the Bible. Also, when I mentioned to her about a cloud that looked like an angel, she told me this was idolatry and false worship. Again I was saying I don't worship clouds and even when I was younger we would look at the shapes of the clouds. Then a cloud started to shape like a bunny rabbit and I said to her that we'd say this cloud looks like a rabbit - which doesn't mean that I worship rabbits :confused:

    The Orlando Massacre and Fr. James Martin’s Dangerous False Mercy
    By Fr. Richard Heilman, Roman Catholic Man:


    Fr. James Martin, the editor-at-large of America, recently posted a video on Facebook about the Orlando massacre. Fr. Martin objects to the bishops not making an explicit reference to the LGBT community, as they expressed their condolences. Fr. Martin’s view of faith and the role of the Catholic Church is not only flawed … it is dangerous. Here’s why …

    For me, our Catholic faith is best understood by the story of the Prodigal Son. The son chooses (free will) to leave the love, protection and tranquility of being home with the father, in order to indulge in his sensual pleasures. This is the same choice, for example, a person makes when they click on a porn site and engage in masterbation. They are, quite literally, choosing to exchange being home in a state of grace – divine friendship – for that moment of self-gratification. It is not God’s choice to be separated, it is theirs.

    However, if you look closely at the story of the Prodigal Son, you’ll notice, first, the father neither goes off to find the son and drag him home, nor does the father tell the son he is free to bring the prostitutes home with him. To love God or not is a choice. Without free will, we are only robots controlled by another.

    Instead, we see the “unprotected” and “empty” son come to his senses and realize home is where he needs to be. But, his distorted understanding of love, that he projects onto his father, believes he is forever doomed to be an “outsider,” unworthy to ever be called his son again.

    The most powerful part of the story is when the father catches sight of the son from far off, and runs out to the son, embraces him and kisses him. It is easy to see that the father was watching the horizon every moment of every day, hoping THIS day, THIS hour would be the moment the son “decided” (free will) to return home. AND, we’ll have no talk of ANY diminished dignity. NO!! Get the robe and the ring and the sandals – all signs of being the prince of the king – Then the party begins!! The father wondered if his son, whom he loves SO MUCH, was lost forever … now he has him home, safe and sound.

    THIS is my Catholic Church!! This is what REAL mercy is all about. My Church has its loving arms WIDE OPEN at ALL TIMES, always ready to welcome those who want to be home. But, like the father, we are not saying, “Bring the prostitutes home with you.”

    This is where Fr. Martin’s skewed understanding of faith is so dangerous. You see, by justifying, rationalizing or even ignoring the sinful acts of homosexuality, we are, in essence, saying, “Come home and bring the prostitutes with you.” What are you saying, Fr. Martin? In opposition with very clear biblical and Church teachings that homosexual acts are gravely sinful, are you saying that is no longer true? Or, are you saying, “Come home and bring the prostitutes with you?” Maybe the whole idea of being separated from God when we engage in mortal sin is a “hateful concept” for you?

    All of these are what is called “false mercy.” Instead of offering a Church with perpetual, loving open arms for the “repentant” sinner … a way out of their prison of sinfulness, Fr. Martin is offering a false notion of mercy that says, “Go ahead and remain in your dark and destructive sinful life … God is perfectly okay with that. Just come home, and bring the prostitutes with you.” He is offering a home that is actually a prison.

    Our Church is truly a Field Hospital. It is a place to be healed and restored to health. It is not a place for people to come and bleed to death while we withhold the only real healing medicine – a state of grace.

    All are truly welcomed home to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church to be healed and set free, but leave the prostitutes behind.

  4. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    karnala very well put... I notice you cant reason with a lot of people. I pray for people, in sinful life styles/ I wince at parents who seem to actually encourage their children to be gay.
    St Monica prayed for years for her wayward son. Eventually he repented. We must be most compassionate to all. We cant endorse these life styles, that lead to destruction either in this life or the next life.

    I heard a about a protestant ministser who went to comfort several gay men who were dying in agony from AIDS. He ministered to them and told them to implore Gods mercy and repent.
    Which I think they did. This was real love this was real mercy..........
  5. Radhe

    Radhe Well-Known Member

    Scanning the web and seeing some of things going on is a real shock.... at the vitriol;its everywhere you look! Inthe world right now
    Divisions and hatreds appear to be fostered..theres such a dark feeling the spiritin the world right now is chilling
    The Lord is the ONLY REMEDY to the spite hate and barbarism I have seen.............

    I am the Tree of Life, whosoever has Me planted in him, has eternal life; I can turn your soul into an Eden, into a Paradise; with My Divine Light I can transfigure your soul into a sun, brighter than all the constellations put together, for I am an inaccessible sun; you may have an incorruptible body if you allow Me to remain in you, and like a breeze in you I will refresh your soul and turn it into the perfect reflection of Christ; and although you will still be among men, your mind will be in heaven, and although your body will be moving among men, your soul and mind will be as an angel's, walking in the Courts of Our Kingdom, walking among angels; if you open the door of your heart to Me, I will set your heart aflame and free it from the defilement of your passions; I shall frequently set your heart aflame to burn all your passions, no matter how small, that keep you prisoner to this earth;

    I am the revelation of the Son and the Son is the revelation of the Father12 and the image of the Father; anyone who has the grace and sees the Son, sees the Father, 13 and anyone who perceives My Holiness perceives the Son and the Father, come and inherit the Way; We will carry your mind and soul and heart in Us to live in Us and flourish you, breaking all the boundaries that held you prisoner to this world;

    come! come and inherit Our Splendour; We will carry you, like the bridegroom who carries his bride over the threshold into his nuptial chamber, We will carry you too into Our Kingdom and I shall pour on you and sate you with My ineffable blessings; 14 to maintain you alive I shall teach your spirit to cry out to the Father: "Abba!" I will teach you to live in Us, move in Us and breathe in Us; I shall teach you that we are Life and in Us you will not cease to be;

    Blessed is the one
    who passionately desires You
    for he will possess You,
    and thus will be thrice blessed.
    Marvel of my life,
    what have I done to possess You?
    Immortal Splendour,
    Indescribable to express with words,
    what have I done so that You unite me to You?

    (Christ spoke:)

    I wanted you to become My companion in Love;

    12 "To have seen Me is to have seen the Father." ([​IMG]Jn. 14:9.) 13 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me?" ([​IMG]Jn. 14:10.) 14 Gifts.
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